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Sunday, October 25, 2009

{Essay} In Defense of Christian Logic

When a young man who has been going to church in a routine way honestly realises that he does not believe in Christianity and stops going—provided he does it for honesty's sake and not just to annoy his parents—the spirit of Christ is probably nearer to him then than it ever was before. - C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

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The Bright Church is an impressive church; among the more impressive ones I have seen in my short time in Singapore. It is located in a converted community auditorium: plush, immovable cinema-seats for the congregation and hard acoustics up-front, soft carpeting as you’re making your way to your spot and lots of warm yellow lights all over the hall. There’s an iMac at the back, in the tech booth, controlling the duo visual-projectors on both sides of the auditorium, and as you enter from the left entrance during service you’ll see the screen’s soft purple glow spilling over the acoustic controls and reflected off the glasses of the resident tech. The Bright Church is dedicated to quality, is dedicated to showmanship, and all this work and money shows in their weekly service.

The Bright Church is, of course, not this church’s real name. The church itself does exist, and it does indeed do good work for the community in which it serves. But because I do not have very nice things to say about it in this essay I am keeping its name a secret: and just as well, for the Bright Church represents all that is shiny and loud in today’s Christianity. It represents the modern church, home to the young and impressionable; modern in the sense that is the kind of church where you get rock music and Tongues and lessons on the Supernatural. You will find this church wherever you are, in any denomination, in any city in the world, if you’re willing to look hard enough. The Bright Church is popular and pervasive because it is a hip version of the church designed to net and save the modern Christian. And it is fairly successful at doing just this.

The sermon this evening is by one Pastor Mark. He is a youth pastor, and this is a youth service on a Saturday night. He goes on stage to talk about healing. He shows us a scene from Finding Nemo, where Dory and Marlin are diving into a trench to find a pair of goggles they had lost. The water slowly turns dark around them, and soon we can only hear their voices on a black screen.

“Ever tried going into the unknown?” Pastor says. “It is scary, like swimming into the dark.” He then tells us that he is going to talk about healing, and how much it was like going into unknown territory for him, because he did not believe in it.

The Bright Church is pretty big on healing. They believe that if you pray to God, God would ‘surely heal you’. The only thing that will prevent healing from happening, they say, are the negative thoughts that the Devil plants in your head, and so they preface each healing session with prayers to God, asking Him to remove all the doubts from the prayed-for Christian’s brain.

Pastor Mark tells us that he had struggled with the idea when it was first introduced to him, in the Bright Church. "Doubt," he said, "is very dangerous. It is usually the result of logic." He goes on to say that he was later convinced of God’s supernatural healing, and that he told the Lord: "I told God, I'm not satisfied. I want to see at least one amazing healing, a healing that is impossible. I am still waiting, but I am sure God will let me see it. If God is a healer then definitely He will heal!" He ends his sermon with: "I want you to know that our God is not a God of just logic, he is a God of miracles and signs. And we should believe in a God like this. Do not use logic, for logic brings doubt; instead - believe in Him, and He will let you see amazing things."

I want to talk about that last sentence, that conclusion Pastor Mark makes about the Christian faith. All around me are accepting young faces nodding in the soft yellow down-lights of the Bright Church’s auditorium, and I worry for them. I am not concerned with whether or not you believe in Christian healing. I am concerned only with what you think of logic, and by extension doubt, and why the former no longer seems present in the Bright Churches of today. This is important to me because as I am sitting here, in this plush auditorium seat, listening to Pastor Mark and making notes in the margins of my notebook, I find myself looking back on my Christian life and finding in it - every last part of it - a direct contradiction to the good Pastor’s blind, illogical faith. It may be important to you because too little Christians are using their brains lately, and too little Churches encourage it. More and more of us are practicing a form of Christianity with much zeal and little knowledge, and while this doesn’t seem like much of a problem, so long as you are saved, the idea that Christianity is good like this begins to crack and fissure when you look at the Bright Churches of today, the generation of young Christians they are creating between them, and the way these Christians are living their lives in a world that watches them closely.

Let me begin with an anecdote.

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A classmate of mine, a non-believer, wrote recently of one such Christian experience. She was at a Christmas party with her boyfriend, who was a member of the church, when a Christian couple approached them. “I hated the feeling of being singled out,” she said, “let them say what they have to say and maybe they’ll let me go unscathed.”

The guy opened by asking her if she knew the bible well. Thinking that he meant every verse of the bible, my classmate said that she did not. How offensive is it if a non-christian like me claimed to know the bible well anyway? she thought. And so the guy began on a long-winded story of what the Bible said, beginning with the creation of the world and ending with a short illustration of how Christians go to Heaven and attain eternal life, and how everyone else (her especially) would eventually go to Hell.

“So do you believe in Jesus Christ?” he asked.

“No.” My classmate said, annoyed that he was shoving Hell in her face.

The guy was stunned. And it was then that he decided to try a different approach, one that was both at once more horrible and very frightening, and typified this zeal and little knowledge so encouraged by the Bright Churches of the world:

… basically, he wanted a friend to come to the Good Friday party but his friend's travel plans clashed with the party so he couldn't come. So he prayed that his friend's travel plans would change. And it did! Their friend got a severe asthma attack and had to terminate his vacation early, and hence was able to make it for the party.

I was honestly traumatized by this story. The fact that this twisted story was supposed to convince me to believe in their all-loving God was especially chilling.

But his wife explains "We're sad that he got sick, but to us it further reaffirms our beliefs that our God is real and is a God who answers our prayers."
Things pretty much went downhill from there. It is a given that this was the wrong thing to say to anyone - regardless of whether it’s a believer you’re talking to, or a non-believer. But it’s the replies to the other elements of Christianity that I find most revealing:
“I have a question”, my friend said, “How is it fair that Christians get to go to Heaven whilst everyone else goes to Hell? What about those people who never got to know about God at all? Do they deserve to go to Hell for something they never had a choice in?”

His wife replied for him: “If so, God will judge accordingly to what the person has done in their lifetime. So possibly people who have not known God but has done good in their lifetime will go to some place in between.”

“But they will never get to go Heaven right? How is this fair since they never had a chance to?”

“Oh,” She replied, “Judgement Day will only come when the Bible has spread worldwide.”
This believer's well-intentioned words reflect a Christianity that has no thought to it, a Christianity that is simple, and easy. (Christianity is neither). There is very little that is biblical to the answers that my classmate received, and for good reason: their words are the result of a modern Christian trend to disregard logic (simply because 'logic leads to doubt'); a Christian trend that is more than happy to feed congregations on diets of healing and loud songs and charismata, and very little reasoned Christian theology. As one character in Flannery O'Connor's Wise Blood says, mockingly: "If you want to get anywheres in religion, you got to keep it sweet" and sweet is precisely what this trend seeks to do. Why get bogged down in deep-thinking about the Word, in learning about faith, when you can have the sweet fulfillment of emotion in the mountain-top experience?

The answer today is that you don’t have to. The historian Mark Noll concluded, in his Scandal of the Evangelical Mind: "The scandal of the evangelical mind is that there is not much of an evangelical mind." And this is true. There is little reason in the Bright Churches of today. We do not encourage it. This makes sense, somewhat: it is not attractive to do so. The Bright Churches teach of validation by Spirit (or validation by experience) on the one hand - which is exciting - and watered-down theology on the other. You may have heard people sharing all kinds of things from the Book, often by using stories with absolutely no relation to the message at hand; I once sat through a sermon where the preacher talked about Moses and the burning bush, and how the burning bush represented the fire that should be burning within all Christians; how God wants us to burn like that.

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I am a Christian - an Anglican - and I have been one for my entire life. In the period that I have been Christian, I have doubted my faith more times than I care to admit, or even to count. All Christians doubt their faith. It is how you deal with that doubt that matters.

When I was 14 I discovered the Charismatic movement. I was invited to a rally organized by a church of the denomination, and I fell head over heels for it. It was amazing. At that age, when I had first begun to doubt my faith, I found solace in the 'Spirit' - in the mountain-top experiences, the emotional highs (induced by music); in the camps and the churches where the worship was better and the rallies more exhilarating and the selection of young Christians infinitely more fun and vivacious than in my own church. It was an emotional experience, and I thought that feeling those feelings meant that I was growing closer to God. And for a while, all was good.

By 16 I believed that I needed to attend church camp at least twice a year, for my 'spiritual growth'. I literally needed it. I did not know what spiritual growth meant, I vaguely connected it to that feeling I got when I attended church events. This began to be a problem, because I soon realized that no matter how many highs I got from concerts and camps, no matter how many soul-touching, skin tingling ‘spirit encounters’ I had, the emotional conviction I had to ‘change my life’ usually wore off before the next week had gone by.

At age 17 I was a liberal thinker, a Christian in name but not in thought, a believer that did not in any way subscribe to the Christian worldview of things, but paid lip-service to it. Christianity to me was a loose set of moral codes, designed to keep me in line, and while I obeyed them casually I didn’t pay much attention to it: I just did enough to make me feel good about myself. And this was, to me, perfectly logical: it seemed that Christianity as a way of life was disgustingly close-minded, especially when put side-by-side to the liberating open-mindedness of the modern world. Why should I insist that my God is right, and your God isn't, when we can all just get along without stepping on each others' toes?

Time passed, and I turned 18, and then something changed the way I thought about Christianity. At age 18 I found the answer to that particular question. At 18 - 18 years after I first became Christian - I discovered the answer to everything I had possibly thought to ask of Christianity, and I found it in a book - a book! - of all things. I cannot today say that I do not believe in the acts of the Holy Spirit, for I discovered this answer through a curious series of events that led both me and Paul, one of my closest friends - to the heart of our faith. But here is the thing: I didn’t discover this answer through just believing. Christianity, at its core, is built around an incredible, radical idea - an idea that either has to be the absolute truth, the only truth; or a lie created by a person of terrifying intelligence - the devil, perhaps. All of Christianity that we know: our understanding of God; Christian morality; lessons on heaven and hell; the nature of man, is built around this singular, wonderful idea. Christianity is no different from any other religion on the planet if it is taken without it. And this idea is not a simple one. You cannot just fall onto it, with blind belief. You can be led to it, by the Holy Spirit; you can discover it, through a period of searching ... but you cannot, under any circumstance, get Christianity without first using your brain somewhere along the way.

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And here we find ourselves with several objections. Two spring to mind immediately. First, you may disagree with me that Christianity is neither simple, nor easy. Simple is beautiful. Shouldn’t the truth be simple?

I do suppose that it's reasonable to say that the best truths are simple, and that simplicity is elegance, etc. It is the mathematicians after all who say that "the math is beautiful!" when they have a simple solution in front of them. But let us not indulge in such idealistic notions: the world is not simple. It never has been. Mathematics is an abstraction of a complex world, and when a mathematician says something is beautiful what he really means is that he has found some elegant logic in his abstraction of the universe. Real things are more often than not unsimple and complicated: the model of an atom, for instance, is nothing at all like the diagrams you see in school textbooks and the like. It can only be truly expressed as a mathematical equation. But there is more to it than that. Reality is often not just unsimple, it is also weird. Could any of us, when we were younger, have discovered the human mechanism for creating a new human being on our own, without being told? I believe in Christianity partly because it has just that scent of strangeness about it, one that makes it feel real - like something that no man could've come up on his own had you given him enough time to think about it. And this is precisely why it takes a certain amount of thinking to Christianity (or rather, Christianity will demand a certain amount of thinking from you), because it is a nuanced, wonderful, real thing, one that does not bear watering-down in any way.

The second objection you may have with me is this: what need is there for Theology? Why should you complicate matters and say that Christians today must learn to think, must allow their religion to teach them to think? Is a blind faith not better?

Now I must concede that in the past a blind faith was very much possible, because people led simple lives. But a blind faith today holds no ground. Not in a thinking, educated world. I have just shown you one example of what happens when a non-thinking Christian attempts to explain Christianity (itself a nuanced, complicated thing) to a thinking non-believer. And that is one problem. But here is another, and this is the bigger one: if you do not hold to Christian theology (the study and understanding of our faith), then you would most certainly have gotten hold of some theology or another. A simple way to test it is this: if someone comes up to you, and says that Christianity is a close-minded mistake, and then tells you that pluralism is so much better (why insist one religion is correct, when you can have many all teaching good things?) and you cannot give a satisfactory answer ... then you may have to do some thinking about your faith. There is a veritable marketplace of ideas out there today and if you cannot understand where your worldview stands in that marketplace, how it holds up, against the other ideas ... then you are in for a rather large spot of trouble. You cannot not think today, and you will always hold some kind of standard to which you live your life to. If it is not Christianity, then it would almost certainly be something else. Sometimes that 'something else' is compatible with the faith. Other times it feels right but it isn't; theology is how you tell the difference.

This is related somewhat to false teachings and mistaken churches: we all know that there are many of them out there. There always has been, even in the time of the apostles. Most of them, I have found, are so subtle, are so nuanced, that the problems with their doctrines aren’t obvious to even the mature Christian. Take the prosperity gospel, for instance: how are you to argue against the overabundant love of God? How are you to argue against the compelling ‘grace message’ (as if grace has not been a part of the Christian message since the Apostles), that leaves out certain subtle nuances of grace that are important to the understanding of other, less-exciting parts of Christian belief - Christian morality, for instance. I am not interested in calling out these teachings one by one - there are many others who are more experienced and more driven than I am. I am merely asking for Christians to start using their heads. Their faith would be a better thing for it.

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But perhaps I have not been convincing enough. How is an unthinking faith bad, really? To understand this, you would first need to understand that there is, in Christianity as in life, more than just simple good and bad. C.S. Lewis describes it like this: "… so many people cannot be brought to realise that when B is better than C, A may be even better than B. They like thinking in terms of good and bad, not of good, better, and best, or bad, worse and worst. They want to know whether you think patriotism a good thing: if you reply that it is, of course, far better than individual selfishness, but that it is inferior to universal charity and should always give way to universal charity when the two conflict, they think you are being evasive."

(This is also, by the way, why Christians believe that sex before marriage is bad: what they really mean is that sex is good, but the exclusivity of sex with your spouse is infinitely more beautiful and sacred and secure and is therefore better. And it is because casual sex would deny you this experience that Christianity teaches to only have sex within marriage. A more plebeian explanation is that when you have sex with someone, you are giving a precious part of yourself away. Like pasting a piece of paper to another piece of paper. If you do not do this within the Christian covenant of marriage (where the assumption is that you will not separate); when you break up, you would have to tear these two pieces of paper apart, and in so doing leave a part of yourself with the other person - a person whom you do not love nor would care for in the grand scale of things. In this way, you are hurting yourself over and over, in ways that you won't begin to understand.)

But enough with the digression. Why is a blind faith bad? An unthinking faith - in today's sense of the word - is not bad because it is unChristian. Faith - any faith, is certainly better than none. But a faith that is centered on a rich understanding of God, a faith that is moved not by 'pastor told me so' or by 'we do this because we should do this' but instead through the daily miracle of grace, through this nuanced, complicated idea at the heart of Christianity, is infinitely better than an unthinking, non-understanding faith. And that is why the blind faith is bad. It is bad because a faith like this robs people of something much, much better; something that God intended all Christians to have: a more complete vision of God in the Christian life.

Another way to think of it is like this: the more you look at Christianity the more you will find that all of Christian action (and thought) is fueled by gratitude. Not by a fear of Hell, nor by some surface feeling of love, but by gratitude to Christ. And this is strange. It is perfectly possible to fear without reason. It is also possible for two people to fall in love without any idea about why they are attracted to each other. But it is simply impossible for a man to have gratitude to another man without first understanding what that other man has done for him. And so it is with Christianity. If you do not understand what God has done, in all its nuances, then you are not expressing your faith in a way that it was meant to be expressed.

Do not mistake this for an argument for mere intellectualism. It is not one. It is instead an argument for using your head in Christ, as with other things. Do not settle for just the loud music, for just the Tongues and the visualising exercises the modern church so loves to use. Christianity is more than that. Learn to find it.

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There is one last point that I would like to make on logic, if only for the sake of completeness. It is about this idea that it is dangerous to approach God with logic, that it is dangerous to mix belief and thought together. One of the reasons, I think, that Pastor Mark came up and warned against reason and doubt in Christianity was due to this belief that it is dangerous to bring logic into the Christian picture. It is as if, upon approaching the Christian religion with some thought, the whole edifice would crumble and collapse upon itself.

This is simply ridiculous.

I would like to make it a point of contention here that it is safe, no - in fact it is ideal, to approach our God with logic. The Bible tells us that it is so; it even shows us in nearly half of the New Testament … all the letters in the Epistles are, after all, well-constructed arguments for Christ. But if the simple fact that the apostles themselves approached their God with logic and reason does not convince you, then perhaps this will:

Scripture tells us that we were all created in God’s image, and it bears to reason that our faculties for logic and thought ultimately come from Him as well. Man’s intelligence is a mere drop in the ocean of God’s logic, and it is simply ridiculous to think that we can out-argue God himself. C.S. Lewis provides us with a useful illustration: we cannot possibly attack God and succeed, because it would be as if we were sawing off the branch on which we were seated on. If, we do attack God and we do win, then it would mean that the very logic which we used against Him would unravel - like string on a fly-rod - because our tools for reason come from Him which we attack.

This leads me to a second point: that doubt is good for the Christian believer. I opened this essay with a quote from C.S.Lewis, one which illustrated just this truth, but I should stop here to note that I am talking about a very specific kind of doubt. There are two kinds. The first is the kind where, when you are given all the evidence for God, you still reject it outright - in this manner you are doubting Him, and the Bible condemns this kind of doubt. The other kind is much like what a scientist feels when he is performing an experiment. He does not doubt his results, but he questions how they came to be, and this causes him to begin searching for the correct answer. It is this second doubt that I am talking about when I say that doubt is good for the Christian believer, because it is the kind of doubt that would lead to thinking about the Christian faith. As theologian Clark Pinnock writes: ‘It strives at laying the evidence for the Christian gospel before men in an intelligent fashion, so that they can make a meaningful commitment under the convicting power of the Holy Spirit. The heart cannot delight in what the mind rejects as false’ (emphasis added). And this is true: until you find something your mind accepts as wonderful and real, your faith cannot fully grasp the realities of the Christian religion.

Practically, this means that you should ask all the difficult questions that the Bright Church doesn’t want you to ask. Do not expect them to have the answers. Do not expect me to. But if you ask enough, and you pray enough, I am convinced that the spirit of God will lead you to the right places, to find those answers that matter most to you. Do not think that this means easy deliveries, passed down from heaven and into your head. You may find it in weird places - in a sermon you chanced across, in a book you find lying on your aunt’s shelf. Not everything has to be flashy to be considered an act of God. And I am convinced that this will be true for you as it is for me, for it has worked for me, unfailingly so far, and I am certain that it would continue to do so.

I would like to close by pointing out to you that all the great Christian thinkers in the history of the faith have always been non-Christians to begin with. They doubted more than I have ever doubted, and this strove them to find truths I have yet to discover. The Apostle Paul was a brilliant Pharisee before his conversion, Saint Augustine was a pagan intellectual, C.S. Lewis a convicted atheist who argued most aggressively against all faiths, before he finally gave in into becoming what he calls ‘the most dejected and reluctant convert in All-England’. For it is true what he says: look for truth and you may find comfort; look for comfort and it is certain that you would not find both.

27 comments:

Sam said...

The Bright Church sounds like MBO showing a Christian movie.

Blind faith is bad. Definitely.
Now, what happens when a Christian is convinced that what they believe [msgs not getting through the right gender, dancing, media and so on] is not blind faith but rather THE RIGHT THINGS TO BELIEVE.

And these are the people who might've questioned themselves time and again and COME UP with these answers over. And Over. And over again.

Yes truth and yes freedom [from the convo this afternoon]. But religion doesn't offer total freedom nor shows complete truth outright does it?

Eli James said...

The only thing, really, that offers total freedom is anarchy. And yes, Christians do believe that Christianity is the absolute truth. Though the justification for that is a bit long, and would take a longer explanation than even this essay.

What Christians don't need to believe, however, is that all other religions are mistaken. It's the same way you may do a math sum - there is only one solution, but some answers are closer to the truth than others. But of course, being a Christian does mean that you have to disagree where the other religions differ from yours.

If they think that whatever they have is the Right Things to believe in, but cannot give proper justifications for it, then they are not thinking it through. They are not thinking it well enough, and they are not allowing themselves find the real Right Things to believe in.

jw3rn said...

Thank you for validating the thoughts and feelings that have troubled me for too long a time.

I have but one question: what is the book from which you discovered all the answers to your questions?

Eli James said...

What's So Amazing About Grace, by Phillip Yancey. Paul found the core through another book - The Great Divorce, by C.S. Lewis. I recommend the first book before the second, both will answer some questions, and make you ask others.

I'm still looking for the answers to the others.

God bless, Jia Wern. =)

Mandy said...

Hats off, Ced. Enjoyed this one. Couldn't agree more, and personally, am challenged once again.

Hope you're well and good. God bless bro :)

Eli James said...

Thanks, Mandy. I'm studying now, actually. Got a 3000 word essay to finish. =(

Eli James said...

@Jia Wern: One last thing that I would like to note: the question that really got answered was "Why am I Christian?" The book merely allowed me to get past that question, and onto others.

Anne Omines said...

Haha I love the book 'What's so amazing about grace' There's this line I'd always remember from the book when a guy asked another guy about how he'd describe God towards us or something along those lines la. Then the guy replied 'we're all bastards but He loves us anyway' then the story behind that. Yeah love that one.

ANYWAY, I must admit, the piece was rather long so I kinda skimmed through a majority of it.

But yeah, I'm rather amused. I just listened to a talk on 'Faith and Reason' and the conclusion is that you can't solely rely on either one of them. Both must come hand in hane. Faith is a gift to add to the limited reason.

In fact, its very true - how you say it is how you deal with doubts rather than whether you get doubts or not. A Jesuit once told me (yes, I'm Catholic - in case you're wondering) that in times of doubt, we are prompted to search even more about the truth. And that really encouraged me to tackle the doubts I had.

ANYWAY, I shan't blah anymore. I'm just gonna leave you with some reads that you might like (though I haven't read them myself) that relates to faith and reason and such.

1. Fides et Ratio (Faith and Reason) - Pope JPII Encyclical Sept 15, 1998
Quoting from wiki,
'The Pope posits that faith and reason are not only compatible, but essential together. Faith without reason, he argues, leads to superstition. Reason without faith, he argues, leads to nihilism and relativism.'

available here: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_15101998_fides-et-ratio_en.html


2. 'Quinquae viae' (Five Ways) - St Thomas Aquainas
Basically giving 5 reasons why God exists - solely based on reason. Thus concluding that God is neither obvious or unprovable.


Anyway, I've read neither of them. lol. But yah, you may or may not be interested.

Oh and I intended to make one comment about your friend's 'attack'ed senario. I get soooooooooooooooooo frustrated when that happens. Kinda made my mum close doors on Christianity all together because of it. And the Mormons always pester me like that. Sien la. There's this really nice quote I like about what I heard from a Bishop here. 'We propose our Faith and not impose it'

Oh and to end, another quote from St Francis of Assisi:
'Preach the Gospel always, if necessary use words'

Ok I may have gotten carried away. I shuddup now. *zip*

Eli James said...

@Anne: I LOVE THAT STORY TOO!! It's the story I shared when I gave a talk on 'Why I'm Christian', in youth before I came here.

I think I wanted this article to cover so much more than just logic. It seemed to me that Christians who attacked other denominations ("the Catholics don't go to heaven because they pray to Mother Mary") and Christians who believed excessively in the Holy Spirit ("Pastor can't be wrong, because the Holy Spirit told me so") are both end-sufferers to this kind of non-reason. And I hate that. =( There's so much more out there that they're missing, and they're making the faith look small-minded and silly while they ignore it.

I dunno. I have lost count of the number of wrong teachings and weird churches I've found since I came to Singapore. One teaches about health and wealth and prosperity from God, the other teaches about Grace, with the posit that we're 'all no longer sinners, we are now saints'. And on and on and on. Back in Kuching, my friend told me about how people pass around 'spiritual gifts' checklists, i.e.: "have you healed a person before? check YES"

And they're all vibrant churches.

Am I missing something here?

PS: Thank you for the book recommendations. I forget to mention that the branch of Christian writing that deals with thought is called Christian apologetics; I'm currently making through Lewis's apologia. Will get to Saint Thomas ... eventually.

Oh, and great quotes, btw. I loved the last two you gave.

Thanks for reading, and hearing me out.

Anne Omines said...

Haha. I'm all over that debating on which church denomination is the best etc. I reckon that kind of energy in condemning which teaching is wrong should be channeled to something more worthwhile. I've come to conclude that it doesn't matter. God ain't gonna ask you whether you believed in the right thing or not. He's gonna ask you whether you loved Him and your neighbour and about your relationship with Him.

And Lewis' work is awesome! Once again, I say I haven't read his books but! I do intend to get there, after my exams. Thoughh... I HAVE read this article of his, 'Man or Rabbit' (http://www.merelewis.com/CSL.gitd.1-12.ManOrRabbit.htm)

Mandy said...

Onward with the 3000 words Ced! :D Speaking of words, what's been up with me lately.. you may be interested in checking out www.runforthenation.com. There's something I wrote there. Look out for it :)

Melody said...

I'm not a Christian, neither are my grandma, my great grandparents and my great great grandparents. I got started by reading revelations which many told me that "It was not a good place to start". Religion is a very confusing thing to me, and sometimes I admire my Christian friends for the faith they have in theirs.

I have faith in mind, but it chills me whenever I hear the line only Christians can go to heaven. I don't understand that line but if scares me to probe even further. I'm not scared of afterlife (duh, the obssession to end of the world), merely because I believe that if you do good, you will be rewarded with goodness.

Karma. =D

My great grandparents, never exposed to Christianity, pure Buddhists. Does this mean they are not in Heaven? I would so hate to think so.

I am taking this literally. Which I should not. I think.

Ida said...

Cedric, I would be very amused and impressed if you can explain to melody without making her feel doubtful, doomed or even more confused.

I don't think I know what I want to say anymore.

Mel, if confused people go to hell,I will be there with you hypothesising how heaven looks like.

Eli James said...

@Ida: you know and I know that I cannot. The topic of heaven and hell isn't something that I can easily explain - I must admit that even I don't understand certain elements of it myself. Maybe in another essay, but only after a period of searching for answers.

@Mel: I understand where you're coming from. I think I do, at least, because I asked the exact same questions when I was a child. And I think this, of all things, is the biggest problem people have with the faith - I think my sister doesn't agree with this idea too because she doesn't want our grandparents - whom we love - to go to hell.

But I did not invent Christianity, so I cannot run away from it.

There are two answers that I can give you, with the condition that you must take what I say here with a pinch of salt - these are the first answers I have found and I have not searched long enough to have found the right ones. In simple terms: my answers may have a tinge of the truth, but may or may not be the absolute one.

The first thing I can do for you is to get rid of the idea that hell is a cruel and eternal punishment for believing in the wrong God. That is not to say that hell isn't a punishment - in some ways, it certainly is ... in some ways it is the most terrible punishment possible. But it is not cruel, and it might not be eternal.

The first is a little easier to explain than the second, and so I shall try to do so in that order. Now people say that God is cruel to bar the gates of heaven to all but some men, and that he cannot possibly be a good God since he has created Hell. This is a reasonable argument, but I do not think this to be true. I think God has no choice but to put people that are not of Him into hell, especially since He loves them.

Think of it like this: imagine that you are a being of water, and that you have created a world, and you have filled it with people of fire. You want them to return to you at the end, to be with you in bliss. But you have a problem. These people cannot come to live with you, for if they do - for if they join you in your underwater palace, they would be instantaneously snuffed out, like dumping a candle into a bucket of water. Instantly killed. So what are you to do?

You do a few things. You start by taking a small group of people on earth and over the next few hundred years you hammer into them the idea of what kind of a God exactly you are. You then give different sets of people all over the world the same kind of dream - dreams of a God who dies and is reborn again. Some of them turn it into a religion, others turn it into myths. Then, lastly, most importantly, you convert a side of yourself into a dual being of fire and water and send Him down to the earth to show those fire people how it is possible to slowly turn themselves into water beings, like you, so they can return to you at the end.

This illustration is entirely unbiblical, and I will not be surprised if I look back a couple of years from now and see major flaws with the analogy. But the basic idea is there. The point of Christianity is to slowly make us into smaller versions of Christ, so that we may be with Him at the end of time. And I suspect that the purification process continues on after our deaths, in heaven, but this is where I have to stop ... for I do not know if this is true. (Also, I have left out a lot of nuance in the above illustration: you may have guessed this already but God is nothing like water or fire or whatever element we have here on earth, the same way that hell would probably be something other than fire, something that is the total void of God which we cannot imagine from our vantage points on earth).

Remember again that I am merely giving you a rough analogy, it may be helpful, but if it is not, discard it to search for another. The truth is very different from my analogy, because I have left out a lot of nuance that will take too long to explain.

(I ran out of Blogger's comment word limit, will continue in the next comment)

Eli James said...

But on to the second thing: which is an even more difficult question to answer: is Hell eternal for the non Christians?

I am not sure about this, but C.S. Lewis seems to think not. He thinks that if you go to Hell you will still be given a choice to be converted, for is it not true that even in the afterlife the Christians are undergoing a purification process to be with God? But that would mean that the people in Hell do not know they are in Hell, that would mean that they are living in a place much like earth, and they are morose and lonely most of the time but they do not know why. And this is scary. Now Lewis may be right, but he may also be dead wrong, and he knows this, which was why he originally articulated this idea in a story. I brought this up only to lead you to the second thing I can give you, which is from Lewis as well:

"The truth of the matter is that God has not told us what He intends to do with the other people. We know that the only way to heaven is through Christ, but we do not know if only those who knew him can be saved through him. (We do not know a lot of things, in this regard, because this is where the Bible is silent and where logic fails.)

But in the meantime, if you are worried about the people outside, the most unreasonable thing you can do is to remain outside yourself. Christians are Christ's body, the organism through which He works. Every addition to that body enables Him to do more. If you want to help those outside you must add your own little cell to the body of Christ who alone can help them. Cutting off a man's fingers would be an odd way of getting him to do more work."

There. I hope this will help you, and will prompt you to go searching for more answers. God bless, Mel, in every sense of the word.

tsar said...

Cedric I think what you have stumbled upon is the diversity of teachings that all claim to be from the Holy Spirit, and now you're asking "which one?"

I remember my conversation with you. You were adamant that the "extras" are unimportant, that what truly mattered was Grace. I agree with you on the latter, but I disagree on the former.

I think from this essay you see that these "extras" are the expression of the grace accorded to us, and hence are just as important. Let's call them doctrines and teachings. If there is a wrong doctrine (not believing in Trinity for example) or a wrong teaching (not thinking), then it undermines the wholeness of the grace that was accorded.

I may not have questioned more than you, but to support your idea of logic you can read the works of St Thomas Aquinas. To put you in for a nice read, you can read Surprised by Truth, Patrick Madrid. Rest assured they will raise many more questions, but they will clarify many things.

tsar said...

And by the way, if you're interested (I know I'm not), the Cathecism of the Catholic Church is a sort of summary of the teachings of the Catholic Church. You might not be at that stage yet though. :)

tsar said...

Sorry for spamming, but I forgot to mention that the teachings for non-Christians are included in the Catechism.

Eli James said...

@Nick: I have stayed away from the intricate differences between the denominations, because I am trying to write for non-Christians. (Granted, this essay is written for Christians, but I've been giving a lot of thought to the way I present things e.g.: how do you explain this complex religion to someone who does not yet believe?)

Now you may say that the doctrines matter, and that they affect whether or not you end up in heaven, etc etc. This is reasonable. But as far as I am concerned, I am interested, in my writing, in only the things that all the denominations agree on.

There are simple reasons for this. I talk about the Bible. There are multiple interpretations of it, but in all the interpretations the message is the same: God saved us. We didn't deserve it but He did so anyway. The rest of Christianity is a response to that truth. Now, in the same way that you may respond to good news differently from the way I respond to it, different Christians have different takes on this one core truth. Some may emphasize preaching over eucharist. Others may emphasize holy spirit over ceremony. These responses, however, do not detract from the truth. They take nothing away from it. It is in the core that I'm interested in, not the responses.

If I have told people about this core then I have done my job. How they want to respond to it - what denomination they choose - is up to them, and to God through them.

Eli James said...

I think a good analogy of what I'm trying to say here is that Christianity is a mirror through which the light of God is reflected on. The different denominations are the different sorts of mirrors you may find, all reflecting the same light. If I am to write about my religion - of which I am forced to accept my brothers - all of them, then it would certainly make more sense to focus on the light that they reflect, as opposed to the intricate carvings on one mirror, or the ornate frame of another.

the WEED said...

I think that hell is for forever. You can't get out of it (that's what terrifies me :P)

The word 'forever' is used a lot in the Bible.

Check out this URL if you're interested. http://www.layhands.com/WillSinnersBurnForever.htm

Eli James said...

Like I said, I haven't asked enough questions on this, not yet anyhow. There are some very scary (and biblically valid) interpretations of heaven and hell. One of it is the Calvinistic idea that whoever goes to heaven or hell has been predestined - that God has chosen beforehand who will be saved and who will not.

As far as I can tell, this view is biblical, and there is no strong argument against it. But do I believe in it? No, not yet. I need to read more on this.

BTW, read The Great Divorce, by C.S. Lewis. The idea that I used here was taken from that book. It may not be correct (after all, it was presented it allegorical form), but it is interesting one nevertheless.

Eli James said...

Oh, and do I believe Hell being eternal? Yes, I do. But let's say the Lewis view of Hell holds: even in this view hell will be eternal for the vast majority of people, because the very fact that they are there means that they cannot see hope even if it were looking them straight in the face, even if a lifeline were given to them to go to heaven. This is a hard idea to stand behind, and I'm not even sure I do support it.

But it is compelling. Go check the book out.

Oh and btw: an addendum to the analogy given above: if you cannot be with God, because you are not of him, then you have no place to go in the afterlife but hell. Go to heaven and you would be obliterated. Go to hell, and you would revel in yourself as God, in the absence of him, and this absence would eat away at you. Gosh, no idea how I left that out in the illustration above.

Eli James said...

I think I should stop talking about heaven and hell, not until I've read more about it. Something about my explanations don't come off as right ...

tsar said...

Predestination isn't biblical... the bible mentions heaven and hell in both past, present and future tenses.

Eli James said...

Wikipedia: Predestination is the Divine foreordaining or foreknowledge of all that will happen; with regard to the salvation of some and not others. It has been particularly associated with the teachings of St. Augustine of Hippo and of John Calvin.

It's hard to argue against St Augustine.

tsar said...

The thing is, writings, like statistics, can be misinterpreted and abused.

But it does present an interesting point. Perhaps my understanding of it is too shallow. Still, remember that the Christian has a choice to accept God. If predestination was enforced in its strictest form, what is the point of the believer's decision to embrace Jesus then?