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Thursday, April 06, 2006

Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge

You'd probably recognize that as a My Chemical Romance album, but its strange how it goes around haunting you. After jumping with joy and overreacting (that St Th3 lost) i am now notorious around the debating circuit as Mr Emotion. Not that i care (although, as usual, i feel like i murdered someone) - i'm already retired.

And its official. The Theresians hate me.

They really shouldn't though. I regret the stupid jumping around, i admit, but you have to understand it was three year's bottled emotion - determination, grit and lots of pain. Every debate i lose i improve, from a rude fast speaking buckaroo to someone with a semblance of calm and politeness. And on the way i learnt that hard way that my team, as talented as they individually are, rely on me as the third speaker to make it or break it. A Theresian (Jervinna, i think) remarked casually yesterday before their debate that the third speaker wraps or kills the team. Immediately all the thomians there - Cikgu Mac included, turned to stare at me.

I looked up from an Utada Hikaru article and made choking noises. It did not help.

So what if God gave me the ability to think on my feet? What if i could talk fast? I was a wild card! How much easier it would have been if i had Jervinna's knowledge of the roles of speakers! I wouldn't have caused the legendary fall in the Thomian - Marian debate, we wouldn't have lost last year to St Theresa, and i wouldn't have caused Paul to feel so bad this year.

And why? Because i accidently made a good rebuttal during our second pracitise session agaisnt Aldrin's NS argument.

That is beside the point, really. The point here is this: I once supported St Theresa. Jacintha's generation, against St Thom. I took one look at Carlson's speech and immediately went to the other side, for i know we could not win. Janice was there, we were both equally inexperienced in debate (although i admit she was always a tad wittier than me) and she asked me who i thought would win. After an interruption from Ling i told her that her school would win. It was one of those rare moments we actually agreed on something.

I was right - it was rare. And her school won.

But after awhile i really resented them. They were sapping the spirits of the debates - that they talked good english and they were sooo damn nice. It wouldn't have been that bad, coz i admire most of the Th3sian speakers (Amanda, Jacintha, Janice, Abigail - this year Jervinna had a damn good reply speech against Batu Lintang) but the judges just let style overcome substance. If you've read my blog on the debates last year then you'd probably know how we out-argued the judges. It was painful, but it taught me that just because they're judges doesn't mean they're on-par with our knowledge of the rules. All the other schools had no more spirit, for they knew nobody could topple the great St Th3. And though they didn't have the beniefit of Orlinda's constant drilling of the rulebook into our heads (we probably have about a thousand adjudication briefing's worth of junk) they really looked deflated after several rounds. This year i never mentioned how the internal mechanism of the debates worked to the newbies. I wished Nicholas from St Jo good luck, and prayed for a nervous Joshua.

They had a good time. The seasoned ohters did not.

It is funny really, that then i found the ending to be thoroughly enjoyable. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS GOT BLASTED IN THE TEACHER'S FACES.

'A stand is not a repeat of the motion'
[A flashback of the Abdillah teacher telling us it is]

'Do not POI a POI'
[A flashback of Sarah telling me it can be done; Another flashback of a group of judges telling an amazed Paul and me that it was perfectly alright]

What was best?

'State your sources properly and link them back to the argument'
[A flashback to the Greenians saying newspapers are better sources of information than university reports because our PM reads newspapers]

To cap it off, i stymied the rude second Greenian speaker by asking her exactly what Batu Lintang's stand was for the finals (they had none - Gapor had a poor one, but she insisted Batu Lintang had a better stand); commented LOUDLY to Paul how sad some RUDE people couldn't accept POIs properly; and then accurately predicted the winner (Gapor! Yippee!) and the best speaker (Abraham! Double WOOTS!)

Years back, a Labuan debater - Sabrina, i think (Aldrin, Sze Howe, some help here please?) accerately predicted who would win the state level debates between Sabah and Sarawak. She was younger than me, but more matured. I wondered how she knew.

Now, after experiencing good, bad and downright terrible adjudicating, i do know. The finals was judged fairly, and i realize how clever she must have been to be able to realize that so early on in her debating career.

My only regret? That Aaron and Aldrin couldn't get to experience such a satisfying end to the Interschool Debates and their secondary school debating careers.

I've met cool people from almost every team. And i don't deserve it. They do. I was the wildcard.

They were the anchors.

14 comments:

Robin Wong said...

goodness,
I so miss my debate era, hahahaa..
in my year, which was 2001, we lost both BM and English debates to St 3, quite a painful memory back then, ahahaa...
yeah, the third speaker killed the whole team alright, he did not even pick up a SINGLE POI. Useless jerk he is.

Unknown said...

CEDRIC CHIN WAS SUCH A SORE LOSER! you! how could you cheer for BL????! Nooooo! You were supposed to support st.3! My school! How caaaaaaaaaaaan! Haiya you. Summore cheering when st.3 lost again, so loudly again as if st.thom won! can hear you from outside the room! yeee.....

Unknown said...

i forgot something so i came back.....you know! this cedric! he ar, was hoping that st.3 was going to loose just bcause he got beaten so many times! aiya come on lar cedric...admit it, you know st.3 was one notch ahead of st.thomas for this debate. maybe st.3 was a teensy weensy little bit better than st.thom or maybe alot better..who noes hor hor hor? aiya, hu cares aboutthat! how could you not support st.3 and bl instead???? if i knew arr....i shud haf gone to the st.thom greenroad debate when i was in ur school and cheered for greenroad as if my life depended on them. blueks!

saykhia said...

Debate!! I miss the debating days, although mine was damn short. And Cedric, you're more than the wildcard! You're more like the final trump card, being the 3rd speaker of choice and all.

=)

Eli James said...

No drin. You guys were soo tense when i spoke, coz i could have done anything while i was up there. You guys were the reliable ones.

After all, you didn't require personal prayers, did you?

Anonymous said...

Hey,Ravin here,heheehe drin,i think i had the shortest debating career in St.Thom history,less then 12 hours i think :( But anyway i learn't alot,i mean ALOT form debating(even though it was one). Anyways, just wanna talk to you bout what happen,since i don't have a blog.Never told anyone bout this b4, so this might be long.I'll start by telling you what happen in my generation(2004). Well,when we went there,it was like 3 wildcards(Carlson,Aaron and I) against 3 anchors(Amanda,Jacintha and Christine).You might find it hard to believe that even Aaron was considered a wildcard but hey,none of us had debated b4. True that Aaron was on the team longer than any of us but he had never had a speaking position previously,plus he didn't attend the discussion that day b4. It was also Mdm.Orl'nda's first debate representing St.Thom's contigent as well. So,i other words, we died. Anyways, i realise that anybody can say that they are good in English and speaking in public but when you debate,it's just different. When i went up there,i'm sure you've experienced this b4,it's like theres so many things going thru your mind. You maybe the best English speaker but you can kill yourself psychologically. But anyway,continuing the story,i knew that we were gonna lose when our team broke down. The first speaker and i destroyed any hope of St.Thom winning,no offense to anyone i mention in this blog but it's true. It started when the first speaker form our side forgot a speech that wasn't even written by him. He didn't even bring que cards for heaven sakes. I don't even want to know how he was feeling at the time when the whole room was staring at him. But i killed our team badly, I was the second speaker, the informnation guy, but being unexperienced,unprepared and well and a bellow average speaker, i just simply screwed up. My speech as you noticed was ony 4 minutes long and i'm the information guy, i read entirely form the que cards, i stuttered at times bcos of being nervous, i wasn't aware of what i was saying in the reply to the POI's, i was just plain bad at the debate. I sucked okay!! I admit it,i was the reason st.thom lost that year,not anybody else,just me. You guys saw rite? Anyways, i also did the closing but it wasn't as bad as 2nd speaker speech,at least i thought so :)Any opinions about that guys?
I felt that onced you've actually spoken in a debate,you actually improve your speaking skills alot. Maybe i'm not the best speaker but i learn't alot form that one debate. And Cedric,you've been to about 6 debates(form my knowledge.Inter-class also counts). That means that you've learn't alot(don't deny it cos you know it's true) and that counts alot,more than most people think. Hye, don't be too hard on yourself, it's never one persons fault in a debate(accept mine, cos my case is special :)] Hey,you know what Cedric,one thing that i admire bout you(which shows that you are admired as well) is that like you said,you can think on your feet and give super fast replys. But don't fool yourself that you made the team lose bcos you didn't give your super fast remarks that would easily confuse a person and make him/her look stupid. Remember,if you have a good opponent and he/she is unable to catch what you are saying chances are,nobody in the room can too,even judges. And what's the basic rule of debate again? You have to convince people to support your stand. And if no one understands you, theres no point to even argue, bcos you've already lost. Good speakers not only affect people they can make them understand them 100%.DUH!!! that's the point of debate.Hey, i heard bout the St.Jo guy who gave the bad example of emergency situation from kenny's and your blog. Don't think that he didn't realise what he was saying, think about it, what was the one thing you remembered the most from that debate? his example rite? Hence, he was using a speaking strategy. Saying something so ridiculous that everybody will remember it. People use this to catch ppl's attention.Usually when the crowds dying on him. You used it once for the SM Sains debate,i wasn't there but you told me that u gave a funny example. Remember? Anyway Cedric, you just can't blame youself, someone or anyone in a matter of fact for the schools lost. We(our school) lost because we were lacking in some areas. Nobody loses just like that. A person loses because he didn't give that extra bit. Maybe your opponent won bcos they gave that extra something. Remember,the law of conservation(someone watch fullmetal alchemist,please!!!!!!!!)you cannot gain something,without giving something. If you watch the show, Edward give all the ingredients to make a human(exact same value),he tried to recreate his mother,but failed. Which proves that you have to give something extra then only you can make a human,in these case win a debate. Geez this is starting to go out of topic. Hehe,there were alot of great debaters that i got too see as well, Aaron, Amanda, Jacintha, the bl third speaker guy and you. Yeah you. Maybe i'd never see you speak b4 in an interschool debate b4 but the combo that i would have wanted to see were Aldrin,Aaron and you. I never watch you guys in action b4. Even though, you guys didn't win last year maybe you would have won if you went through more interschool debates toghether. More experience thing. Hey, about being a wildcard,the thing is your still a card in a deck. I was a card that was thrown out. You still in the players hand being played. I can proly tell you how much you mean to the team and the fact that you weren't the one who made us lose, but the bottom line is you have to realise it yourself. It's all bout the attitude. You don't have to tell yourself that you were the cos we lost or weren't good enough. Whatever it is, everyone knows this, Aldrin will testify to this, so will i, you were this year's prima donna, alpha male, top dog, the best one in the team. True. Hey, i hope after you read this you won't become some overconfident jerk :) heheheheheehehe after all this is a HUGE ego boost :) Hey,if you have any regrets bout not being able to experience debating earlier why don't you and Kenny gather some guys and start a debate and public speaking club for the younger ones. Maybe your retired already but you can still give hope to the young ones. Start a club for debate, find a good teacher to be the patron,hopefully Mdm.Sheila cos other english teachers are lazy but have good images that can deceit you. Like Orl'nda. I'll help you guys when i come for form six. Maintain the club also ah!!! You have to find people to train you guys. Even outside people. You're important to the team Cedric,and no 3sian can deny that you are on par and maybe better than them. Cheer up dude!! And that's why i don't have a blog :P

Eli James said...

Thanks Ravin. Yeah, the talk-too-fast thing was something i had to change - its totally true speaking fast doesn't help at all. The only problem is that now i probably speak too slow.

:P

How crazy is that?

You should've been in the debates this year. You'd enjoy it like anything, other than the stupid Greenian teacher yelling at Orlinda and demanding two months worth of NST. If there ever was a person i wanted to practise the flying jujigatame (an arm breaking technique - gensatsuwaza) on, it would be that *******.

Kenny has blogged about how as an event it was a failure, and i couldn't agree more. St Thom's good name was tarnished somewhat for some schools, who got very bad treatments. I dunno - there's so many lessons that can be drawn from this. Why can't life be kept simple?

About this year? No. I did not feel like a top dog at all. More like a guy who has to help write speeches for nervous Paul. I felt bad and out of my depth. Last year all of us did our own thing. Now everyone's roles overlapped a little, and even Cikgu Mac made ppl confused during discussions.

And yeah. While Orlinda may never live up to her promises to train people up (she relies on ready made talent/ability) we all respect her experience in debate. I just wish St Thom would win once. We know a whole damn lot more, just *sigh*. If only we could be soo confident of winning like St Th3 and Abdillah. They were like so laid back, even though arguments wise they never thought out of the box like we had to.

Maybe because they didn't need to.

Thanks for the comments, though. All of you have really helped to throw light on the different views you can take on this event.

You guys are the greatest.

wandkey said...

WOw! After reading Ravin's long post, I've come to decide this guy should have a blog! Haha.

Mdm Sheila is going to be leaving school this middle of the year, so if you want to take up Ravin's suggestion and help train the newbies, better act fast.

Eli James said...

Mdm Sheila is leaving school? Hmm. I never really liked her, because she holds such a high opinion of herself. She keeps on testing you on the grounds of trying you out for knowledge, and it irks me off.

I'll be happy to see her go. Wonder why Ravin likes her so much. In truth, the only teacher i truly like is Cikgu Yusof. The only teacher i truly respect is Ms Chong.

Anonymous said...

Hey,Ravin here,Mdm. Sheila is just an example of a teacher that might be reliable. She may not be the best. I think honestly,the best teacher for the job is Cikgu Magdalan,but she has a lot on her plate now especially with the SQUARE and all. This is bcos she understands and listens to you(like Miss Chong), reliable and is most of all hardworking. She does have certain ammount of understanding for debate. Mdm. Grace, Mdm, Jenifer Kong, Mdm. Orl'nda and Mdm. Elaine Ting are a bit lazy ah unreliable at times. And sometimes,confused. Wonder why the married teachers are more lazy. Any girls can explain that? Whatever it is, you can get help from them as well if you need it. All of them are afterall, teachers. Good luck at it. Try to get more people to help in this project. Btw,is wandkey, Loh Wen Qi,the prefect person. Cos everytime i look at the word wandkey i keep thinking of "wank" O_O"

wandkey said...

Yea, this is wandkey the prefect person. You remember me from duty at your class or what, Ravin? Hmmm. I can't help it that my real name sounds like wandkey. Urgh, please don't think not straight arh.

Eli James said...

Dirty, dirty. Hmm. Cikgu Mac made a lot of us (and we helped along) confused during debate meetings. Only when Orlinda came did we agree on something.

Aquavires said...

Lambat cerita sikit, but yes, the Labuan girl is Sabrina.

I would've loved to have been there to witness your... uh... enthusiasm! =D

Ida said...

Jumping for joy..

and tersalah call someone an AUNTIE=.=

You..have a knack at saying and doing things at all the wrong moments.